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It's literally possible to change history (the danger of unintended consequences)

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by soulgeezer, Aug 7, 2017.

  1. SURF

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    Just play the blues backwards.
     
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  2. Area51

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    You know that the winners get to write history. Don't know if this makes you a winner though...
     
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  3. Flakey

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    Oh Max the way you're talkin' does Uncle Leopold proud!

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  4. SURF

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    So we are all in a deep sh*t. Everything we see and read is/was made by crazy people. And we copy that.
     
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  5. PacificaChris

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    Well I'm going to repeat a story I heard years ago with no citation so keep your salt handy. My thesis is that truth is malleable. The story is that several people who had witnessed a traffic accident were interviewed soon after and there was no agreement on basic things like the type or color of vehicles involved. We see (and hear) what we want to see.
     
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  6. PacificaChris

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    Not necessarily crazy. Just remember that everyone has an agenda. I don't disagree with your first sentence though.
     

  7. maxvintage

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    ? That doesn't mean "the truth is malleable:" a camera would show something close to what actually happened. So would objective consideration of the physical evidence--skid marks, collision damage, angles of impact etc.

    The thesis you should get out of that is not "truth is malleable," it's that eyewitnesses are often unreliable.
     
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  8. SURF

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    Can you elaborate? I feel that I don't understand.

    That's why the books were burned time after time. It happened the humans were wired to forget and to make stories.
     

  9. maxvintage

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    http://chnm.gmu.edu/essays-on-history-new-media/essays/?essayid=42

    By the late Roy Rosenzweig, my closest friend and collaborator
     
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  11. SweetClyde99

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    You got a sweet gig writing a book about Canadian subways. How are you not winning?
     
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  13. soulgeezer

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    If the indigenous peoples hadn’t been nearly wiped out by Europeans, do you think there’d be a subway to write about in the first place?
     

  14. kelnet

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    That would be outside of the scope of my article.

    However, the indigenous peoples of France weren't wiped out, and Paris has some good transit systems.
     

  15. BigDaddyLH

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    But they're rude, damn rude!
     
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  16. kelnet

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    Yep. That's why the Romans eventually gave up on France. Too much attitude.

    Oh wait, I think I may have the information about that period of history.
     

  17. boredguy6060

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    If you ever run across my cousins name, he would like his middle name changed.
    It’s Melvin, he hates it, so if you get a chance, change it to something nice.
     

  18. PacificaChris

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    Are you watching the baseball playoffs? Sometimes it takes multiple camera angles created by talented and experienced operators to determine the 'truth' of a particular play. Even after all that there are still sometimes disagreements.

    If an eyewitness is unreliable, what is 'truth'?

    And we're not talking about a traffic accident here, but events, often over a great period of time, which make up what we like to call 'history'.
     

  19. PacificaChris

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